I need some help finding the correct point light source for my chandelier shadow project. Can some experts weigh in?



I designed and built a chandelier for my new home. It’s pretty neat, it’s an orb, and on the outside of it, are all of the things that I like, including the face of every cat that I’ve ever had.

It has a point light source at its core right now, which is a G9 bulb at 100 watts which was bright and gave reasonably sharp shadows as it’s close to a point light.

I’m hoping however to be able to upgrade this somehow. I have an e27 socket at the other end that I’m not using. But I could certainly change this out for any other socket.

The shadows right now are sort of sharp. But I showed a picture of what they look like up close.

Basically I need the brightest possible bulb with the smallest possible filament or arc size. But I obviously can’t use anything that produces UV or would otherwise be harmful to be exposing guests or myself to.

The chandelier is hung from a winch in the ceiling built into the attic that can hold about 1500 lb. So I can raise and lower it without any real difficulty. When it connects at the top, it magnetically locks on and transmits power. So when I bring it down, it’s temporarily disconnected, but if I really needed to, I could jumper power to it for testing.

It works, but it doesn’t work as well as I would have liked it to, and so I figured I might as well request help from some experts!

(Yes I know some of the projected images are backwards. When the orb was assembled, everything was assembled facing the normal direction without thinking about it. I’d have to unweld it now which is not worth the effort so I’ve just come to peace with it. It still looks cool)

If it’s too bright it might become a glare bomb. I think it looks good right now and it’s a wonderfully executed idea.

Aris said:
If it’s too bright it might become a glare bomb. I think it looks good right now and it’s a wonderfully executed idea.

Well, I have two different sockets, so I wouldn’t mind having at least the option to have it be brighter when I wanted it to be.

You need a solid point source. LEDs could work, but would be hard to avoid shadows.

Maybe something like this and a dimmer?

Parker said:
You need a solid point source. LEDs could work, but would be hard to avoid shadows.

Maybe something like this and a dimmer?

That looks like a winner. What socket does that fit into?

@Reagan
This is an e26, but you can get similar in most bases

Parker said:
@Reagan
This is an e26, but you can get similar in most bases

I’ve bought one, I’ll let you know in a week or two when it gets here!

Find a bright cheap LED lamp and crack open the diffuser and try that maybe.

Aris said:
Find a bright cheap LED lamp and crack open the diffuser and try that maybe.

That will not work. It would have to be a single led. Even then it would only project to half of the sphere.

It has to be some sort of arc lamp or very small filament. Something that throws in 360° but originates at a single point. That’s the physics of how this thing works. I just can’t seem to find anything easy to use over 100 watts which is what I currently have in the G9 socket.

@Reagan
These appear to be bright point sources

Got a feeling they are dangerous though.

The chain and power cord look like they don’t really fit the theme.

Edit:

As I understand these are very close to point sources and available in high power, which is why they are used in projectors. There’s a number of problems in using them, but it might be feasible to work around them. You might have to pay someone with suitable expertise. These links have some interesting info.

https://www.sprocketschool.org/wiki/Xenon_short-arc_lamp

@Bevin
The main issue with using one of these is ultraviolet output. These things produce light like the sun. As a result, looking at them would be dangerous to your eyes. It’s one thing when it’s projected onto a screen and then reflected, but another to look directly at the filament.

@Reagan
You could enclose it in a UV opaque glass shield, which you’d need to do anyway due to the explosion risk.

That is just cool ! Unfortunately, I cannot really help you with a source (I would use a low wattage metal halide, but that is somewhat finicky as you need to find a suitable lamp and protective globe, as well as a place to house a ballast).

Question for you : Did you do any calculations regarding room size and the shadow “focus” ? I have considered building something along these lines, however, I didn’t get to it yet.

@Rowan
Basically the way it works is the smaller the filament and the brighter the filament the better the shadow projection.

Currently it has a g9 100 watt halide driving it. I’m looking for something stronger than that.

What about this?

https://hydrobuilder.com/grower-s-choice-500w-single-ended-cmh-bulb-4-000k-r.html?gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjwzZmwBhD8ARIsAH4v1gWABaFaCSUg2lQc-4ZCgDG661r5Q2OVmmoUFXamfCjAcZ_lJNGUJ5oaAj_VEALw_wcB

@Marley
That might be a viable option. I’ve got to see how much of that filament gets hot. Is it just that central part or the rest as well emitting light?

Reagan said:
@Marley
That might be a viable option. I’ve got to see how much of that filament gets hot. Is it just that central part or the rest as well emitting light?

I’m not sure. I’m not a product expert. 500 watts is a high wattage and a lamp like this im guessing should be in a fixture rated to house it.

Edit: The spec sheet says this should be in a fixture rated to house it.